Domaining.Com Releases Domain Industry Directory Service at Conceptualist.com, By Sahar Sarid

Domaining.Com Releases Domain Industry Directory Service

Published on August 19, 2008 in Domain Names.

Via Domaining.com:

Another one of those simple features, yet extremely useful, that makes Domaining.com so great.

Congrats Francois!

Sahar

10 Responses to “Domaining.Com Releases Domain Industry Directory Service”

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1 Francois
Aug 19th, 2008 at 9:12 am

Thank you very much Sahar.

If some interesting and/or usefull services/sites related to domaining.com have been forgot then feel free to contact us.
2 Tia Wood
Aug 19th, 2008 at 9:34 am

Sahar,

I don’t know why people continue to humor this guy. Domaining.com is a great name with a neat service, however, did everyone forget he is the same Francois from PremiumDomains.com, the same person who is trying to claim a stake in becoming “the authority” in what “premium domains” are and tricking newcomers while cashing in on affiliate links for each of these “premium domains” listings?

I really feel his services are a slap in the face to the domain industry and everything we stand for.

Tia Wood
3 Alan Dunn
Aug 19th, 2008 at 9:56 am

Somebody is having a bad day….
4 Mak Ossa
Aug 19th, 2008 at 10:24 am

@ Tia: I think you have a point on hitting Francois like that. We once submitted some names (with keywords) to his premium service and he came up with some funny “metric jargons” saying the names did not meet the standard score which I believe he invented himself - and for himself only. However, those names were sold for good prices on the forums - within a week - to some domainers or endusers who saw potential in those names. Personally, I think the so-called or made-up appraisers are not always right. The true value of a name is in the minds of the buyers rather than the domainers or flippers who hawk strictly for profits.

As for the Domaining.com features, I think they great services but I am staying clear of the premium stuff.
5 Tia Wood
Aug 19th, 2008 at 10:26 am

Bad day, Alan? Imagine the “bad day” you’d be having if a service like PremiumDomains.com became industry standard and the value of your domains were based off, not by the market, not even by a group of people but by the opinions of one man.

http://www.google.com/search?q=this domain is “premium certified
http://www.google.com/search?q=PremiumDomains.com

Think I’m having a bad day now?
6 Tia Wood
Aug 19th, 2008 at 10:26 am

The previous URL messed up. Type “this domain is premium certified” in quotes on Google.com
7 Jeff Hawkins
Aug 19th, 2008 at 11:15 am

Well, when it comes to valuing a domain name Nobody Really Knows. I figure the value of my names real, real high (something Rick Schwartz said makes me think that way).

Somebody else probably says, “Too High!”. But somebody who wants them might agree, make a lower offer, or make a cash and trade deal that I might like.

To those who say my valuation is too high I might consider their opinion but mostly I’ll say, “but it might be worth that tomorrow”. If they say my domains ain’t premium quality I say, “They are to me. And if they ain’t today, they might be tomorrow!”.

It helps if “the experts” agree but I know more about my plans and vision than they do. I know where I’m going and “the experts” can’t change that.

As to “the opinions of one man” that Tia mentioned, I think Bido and the various trade forums are a force that keeps that at bay. Reality based trading once Bido builds a huge audience (it will) and the private sales reports will push prices up for good domains. Down for the marginal domains and place the “speculative, sub-market domains” into their own niche.

Information is the key. And regardless of who runs it, sites like Domaining.com are part of that information source.
8 Rob
Aug 19th, 2008 at 11:49 am

If you look at domaining.com in and of itself, it is a fantastic resource to anyone in the domain space, from newbies to seasoned pros. Accolades should go out to the person who created it (and continues to enhance it).

In regards to “value” of a domain TO AN END-USER, the value is 100% in the eyes of the buyer. I just started a new company and paid WHAT I THOUGHT was a good price for the domain name. If I were a domainer buyer/seller, I clearly overpaid. However, as the end-user who WANTED THE NAME for my new business, I’m thrilled I got it for what I did.
9 Francois
Aug 19th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

Hello Tia,

I am very surprised by your message.
PremiumDomains.com was put on hold last year, it’s no longer a critical project for me.
As you probably seen I stopped his massive advertising.

First I clarify, at the inverse of what you posted:
I NEVER decided myself if submitted domains were Premium or no.
This is automatically done based in the metrics of the domains.

Before I started this service, everyone was qualifying his names of Premium… there was no rule and a lot of abuses.
My intent was simply to try to setup a metric to can measure the “INVESTMENT VALUE” of domains.
This way everyone could compare domains, investors could easily locate domains of value…
It’s more easy to say then to do, as you may imagine.

Tia, as an experienced domainer you know that the main metric for domain valuation is the search popularity (not confund with term frequency).
So basically from there I decided of a line and said over this frontier let’s call these domains as Premium.
The method look likes good:
Domains having a very high scoring are considered Premium by everyone, no problem.
And those scoring very low are generally called regfee by most.
The problem starts when a domain is scoring just around this frontier.
Here’s where begins the domain owner frustration and where there is no concensus, so we could discuss for hours about if a name is premium or no.

When I launched the service the frontier was very high thus when a domain was Premium, it was really Premium for everyone.
The problem that I discovered was double:
- These names were NOT for sale (just few names per year).
- The volume of domainers owning such high caliber domains was insignificant.

So I started to pull down the frontier to try to increase the number of domainers that may argue to own “Premium Domains”.
This leaded to more and more disscussions because at a low level differentiate domains mainly through the search popularity score is absurd.
In fact domains having a low search popularity are rarely investors domains.

Despite the low frontier, portfolio submitted rarely has 5% of “premium domains”.
So that’s sure if you own hundred names and someone tell you just a dozen are premium is very frustrating, maybe it happend to you.
Now the fact you domain is not Premium does not involve it will only sell cheap, there is just statistically lower chances it sell for BIG bucks.

Near of 60,000 webmasters submitted their domain(s) for valuation so it’s possible these webmasters talked about it and Google referenced some conversations.
Now don’t panic Tia, the day people will buy domains after checking if a domain is certified as Premium should never happen.

Just know that the future of PremiumDomain(s).com is not traced.
Big changes may happening within the next months that may totally change the face of this service.

Friendly,

Francois

PS:
You written “cashing in on affiliate links”:
I found this sentence funny from a person that make money thanks to sponsored links.
I am not different of you Tia, and I am not different of anyone:
I don’t work for the glory!
I have hosting, publishers, affiliates to pay, … and family to feed.
So it’s normal I try that my work generate some profit.
And trust me it’s not easy and it does not work everytime.
Something is sure I have probably too much agressively advertised the service.
Unfortunately for many reasons this has been a HUGE loss.
10 Michael
Aug 19th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

Nice additions on domaining.com! I found some new sites.

Could also add some keyword research tools, like google trends, word tracker etc.