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	<title>Comments on: Guest Post: SouthPhoenix.com Marketing: This Is A Classic! (By Darren Cleveland, RMG CEO)</title>
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		<title>By: Raffaele Della Peruta</title>
		<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2008/08/05/guest-post-southphoenixcom-marketing-this-is-a-classic-by-darren-cleveland-rmg-ceo/#comment-10492</link>
		<dc:creator>Raffaele Della Peruta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point Duane. I recently did another 2 year program in IT along with my University education.

Only once was domain names mentioned in a 2 minute part of a lecture. With such an important topic it is funny how it is often disregarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point Duane. I recently did another 2 year program in IT along with my University education.</p>
<p>Only once was domain names mentioned in a 2 minute part of a lecture. With such an important topic it is funny how it is often disregarded.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
		<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2008/08/05/guest-post-southphoenixcom-marketing-this-is-a-classic-by-darren-cleveland-rmg-ceo/#comment-10463</link>
		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all comes down to the lack of education. The question is also why domains arent also part of Management, IT and Marketing education. It will be some day, and by then, SouthPhoenix.com will be for most unafordable, like many other names.

While living in Germany, I just developed a site on BüroKaffeeService.com which means OfficeCoffeeService in english. I had to also buy the .de cc TLD's which where a nice bit of money for me. 

Now owning the relavant extentions it can be used for all German speaking country's like Switzerland, Austria and Germany. 

When I offerd it to one of the most largest coffee service company's here in Germany, i didnt even name a price. I just asked what it would be worth to them? The Answer was not even worth mentioning, even explaning why this name with all the cc Tlds would be a good investment there was no reaction. I mean it doesnt get better, generic, no explaning, a business.

There are aprox 1,2 million businesses which use a coffee office service just in Germany that is, not counting Austria and Switzerland.

The end of the story is, if they dont want to buy, develope and let them pay for each contact they get over the site.

Now, that it generates 2-3 business contacts per week which i send to them, lets see what the offer might be in 12 months from now after having to pay for each contact (lead) they recieve?  

Like i mentioned at the beginning. It all comes down to the lack of education, not learning and listening! Its a costly and expensive mistake for so called management and Marketing pro's. 

PS: Great Blog Sahar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all comes down to the lack of education. The question is also why domains arent also part of Management, IT and Marketing education. It will be some day, and by then, SouthPhoenix.com will be for most unafordable, like many other names.</p>
<p>While living in Germany, I just developed a site on BüroKaffeeService.com which means OfficeCoffeeService in english. I had to also buy the .de cc TLD&#8217;s which where a nice bit of money for me. </p>
<p>Now owning the relavant extentions it can be used for all German speaking country&#8217;s like Switzerland, Austria and Germany. </p>
<p>When I offerd it to one of the most largest coffee service company&#8217;s here in Germany, i didnt even name a price. I just asked what it would be worth to them? The Answer was not even worth mentioning, even explaning why this name with all the cc Tlds would be a good investment there was no reaction. I mean it doesnt get better, generic, no explaning, a business.</p>
<p>There are aprox 1,2 million businesses which use a coffee office service just in Germany that is, not counting Austria and Switzerland.</p>
<p>The end of the story is, if they dont want to buy, develope and let them pay for each contact they get over the site.</p>
<p>Now, that it generates 2-3 business contacts per week which i send to them, lets see what the offer might be in 12 months from now after having to pay for each contact (lead) they recieve?  </p>
<p>Like i mentioned at the beginning. It all comes down to the lack of education, not learning and listening! Its a costly and expensive mistake for so called management and Marketing pro&#8217;s. </p>
<p>PS: Great Blog Sahar</p>
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		<title>By: Raffaele Della Peruta</title>
		<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2008/08/05/guest-post-southphoenixcom-marketing-this-is-a-classic-by-darren-cleveland-rmg-ceo/#comment-10427</link>
		<dc:creator>Raffaele Della Peruta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>{"This domain will be one that will pass many and in five years from now, this lady(if she is still employed) or other firms when buying leads from the now owner will say, “shoot I guess I should have bought that domain name when I had the opportunity.”}


I'll bet that she won't be employed nor will the company that employed her still be around. Aside from the traffic/sales lost, you can bet this domain name will fall into a competitors hands that will use this traffic and sales to remove competition.

Many businesses confused what the difference between and website and a domain name are. Mike should have specified earlier that multiple domain names can be pointed to one website.

It is my strong belief that over time the Internet will become an monopoly and that domain name consolidation in fields such as this one will be inevitable. Letting small or big domain names fall into the hands of competition can be very detrimental to any company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>{&#8221;This domain will be one that will pass many and in five years from now, this lady(if she is still employed) or other firms when buying leads from the now owner will say, “shoot I guess I should have bought that domain name when I had the opportunity.”}</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet that she won&#8217;t be employed nor will the company that employed her still be around. Aside from the traffic/sales lost, you can bet this domain name will fall into a competitors hands that will use this traffic and sales to remove competition.</p>
<p>Many businesses confused what the difference between and website and a domain name are. Mike should have specified earlier that multiple domain names can be pointed to one website.</p>
<p>It is my strong belief that over time the Internet will become an monopoly and that domain name consolidation in fields such as this one will be inevitable. Letting small or big domain names fall into the hands of competition can be very detrimental to any company.</p>
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		<title>By: Damir</title>
		<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2008/08/05/guest-post-southphoenixcom-marketing-this-is-a-classic-by-darren-cleveland-rmg-ceo/#comment-10334</link>
		<dc:creator>Damir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Sahar - it’s that small businesses in general don’t get it, most businesses don’t get it - it makes me think what kind of creativity and intelligence this so called leader's (so called Manager's / CEO's and other's) have?

That is what I call text book knowledge people with NO common sense (thick as a brick).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Sahar - it’s that small businesses in general don’t get it, most businesses don’t get it - it makes me think what kind of creativity and intelligence this so called leader&#8217;s (so called Manager&#8217;s / CEO&#8217;s and other&#8217;s) have?</p>
<p>That is what I call text book knowledge people with NO common sense (thick as a brick).</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sahar,

I think this is more common that what people online believe, An enduser sale is the hardest sale to ever close. Often they dont understand why a keyword domain name would bring them more traffic! They dont have clue about Direct naivigation - I think we all need to help educate people we know and hopefully that shall filter through at work and maybe eventually an IT manager shall here about this and say "Wait A Minute, if I own Computer.com for my wholesale computer business people are going to come to my site looking for Computers &#38; I dont need to spend a fortune on Adwords Campain"

Well time shall tell the internet has changed so much over the past few years and I think that one day maybe more people shall understand.

Here is a link that I send to Endusers to let them see other companies that use Keyword domains - I think everyone should include this when trying to sell there names if a lesson needs to be learned.

http://www.genericdomainnames.com/info/Generic-Domain-Name-Ownership/i=9

Another great post Sahar, keep them comming!

Regards,

Robbie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sahar,</p>
<p>I think this is more common that what people online believe, An enduser sale is the hardest sale to ever close. Often they dont understand why a keyword domain name would bring them more traffic! They dont have clue about Direct naivigation - I think we all need to help educate people we know and hopefully that shall filter through at work and maybe eventually an IT manager shall here about this and say &#8220;Wait A Minute, if I own Computer.com for my wholesale computer business people are going to come to my site looking for Computers &amp; I dont need to spend a fortune on Adwords Campain&#8221;</p>
<p>Well time shall tell the internet has changed so much over the past few years and I think that one day maybe more people shall understand.</p>
<p>Here is a link that I send to Endusers to let them see other companies that use Keyword domains - I think everyone should include this when trying to sell there names if a lesson needs to be learned.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.genericdomainnames.com/info/Generic-Domain-Name-Ownership/i=9" rel="nofollow">http://www.genericdomainnames.com/info/Generic-Domain-Name-Ownership/i=9</a></p>
<p>Another great post Sahar, keep them comming!</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Robbie</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2008/08/05/guest-post-southphoenixcom-marketing-this-is-a-classic-by-darren-cleveland-rmg-ceo/#comment-10310</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm hoping you have a followup mail plan of some sort where you snail mail the uninterested prospects after the sale and feed them the numbers and possibilities of the name they didn't want. Maybe a nice newsletter full of information and links to even more info would work here.

This would educate them if they choose to look the materials over and possibly pave the way for another sale later. And maybe, just maybe, they'll start looking actively for domains to expand their business. And if your printed marketing materials convinced them to seek out new domains they'll probably start their search with your company.

And just maybe I or another of your readers here will benefit from the trickle down effect when they see a domain one of us has and then decide it's just what they need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hoping you have a followup mail plan of some sort where you snail mail the uninterested prospects after the sale and feed them the numbers and possibilities of the name they didn&#8217;t want. Maybe a nice newsletter full of information and links to even more info would work here.</p>
<p>This would educate them if they choose to look the materials over and possibly pave the way for another sale later. And maybe, just maybe, they&#8217;ll start looking actively for domains to expand their business. And if your printed marketing materials convinced them to seek out new domains they&#8217;ll probably start their search with your company.</p>
<p>And just maybe I or another of your readers here will benefit from the trickle down effect when they see a domain one of us has and then decide it&#8217;s just what they need.</p>
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		<title>By: Hadi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like domain names are still aliens to most people. x_X</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like domain names are still aliens to most people. x_X</p>
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		<title>By: Snoopy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snoopy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t know anybody who likes to get a cold call and then on top of it an “education”. Pitching people is tough work in ANY sales job if they don’t want to listen to the pitch. Most people don’t have the time in their normal average everyday world to listen to a pitch. You can tell by this conversation that she was on the defensive.
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Agree, when I get a cold call the first thing I do is put the phone down. If they told me they could improve my business or that I had won $100,000 I would still put the phone down.

----answer----

You guys cannot be serious. In the real world cold calling is how business is done. From Yellow Pages to Selling online advertising (yes, even Google cold calling businesses). It usually starts with a cold call.

Sahar
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know anybody who likes to get a cold call and then on top of it an “education”. Pitching people is tough work in ANY sales job if they don’t want to listen to the pitch. Most people don’t have the time in their normal average everyday world to listen to a pitch. You can tell by this conversation that she was on the defensive.<br />
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<p>Agree, when I get a cold call the first thing I do is put the phone down. If they told me they could improve my business or that I had won $100,000 I would still put the phone down.</p>
<p>&#8212;-answer&#8212;-</p>
<p>You guys cannot be serious. In the real world cold calling is how business is done. From Yellow Pages to Selling online advertising (yes, even Google cold calling businesses). It usually starts with a cold call.</p>
<p>Sahar</p>
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		<title>By: robb</title>
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		<dc:creator>robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would think any real estate agent would want to own their place name in .com, even in .net or org.  Plus, they should want "City Name"   Real estate, Homes, Realty, homesforsale, property, etc, all those real estate related terms.  In .com and even their country code if it is popular where they live.  But I still see realtors using their own name for their website, which isn't great if it's not easy to remember or spell.  You'll remember SpringfieldHomes.com easily, but not something like JoannieMcLaughlin.com.  And they use all sorts of hyphen domains and word combinations that wouldn't stick in anyone's mind.  And there are still many realtors who don't have a website, or list their email!  It really says something about the lack of internet marketing savvy in the business world in 2008.  I remember reading about PalmSprings.com, when they started and contacted every realty office there about advertising, they all turned the opportunity down, except the last one which ended up getting tons of leads by being on PalmSpings.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would think any real estate agent would want to own their place name in .com, even in .net or org.  Plus, they should want &#8220;City Name&#8221;   Real estate, Homes, Realty, homesforsale, property, etc, all those real estate related terms.  In .com and even their country code if it is popular where they live.  But I still see realtors using their own name for their website, which isn&#8217;t great if it&#8217;s not easy to remember or spell.  You&#8217;ll remember SpringfieldHomes.com easily, but not something like JoannieMcLaughlin.com.  And they use all sorts of hyphen domains and word combinations that wouldn&#8217;t stick in anyone&#8217;s mind.  And there are still many realtors who don&#8217;t have a website, or list their email!  It really says something about the lack of internet marketing savvy in the business world in 2008.  I remember reading about PalmSprings.com, when they started and contacted every realty office there about advertising, they all turned the opportunity down, except the last one which ended up getting tons of leads by being on PalmSpings.com.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Fontaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Fontaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a broker myself for almost 20 years, and having spent the last 12 helping other brokers understand and compete on the internet (selling them many of my real estate domains along the way), it does not surprise me that the vast majority really dont get it. Most small business really are busy dealing with their primary business, and count on others for help with this "new medium". They dont live and breath domains every day like many of us do. The "already have 4 websites" comment shows just how removed they are from concept of a "quality domains" and what that actually could mean to them. So no, we're clearly not "there" yet. On the otherhand, Gorden is right, they can currently grab that traffic on the cheap. The difference is, in 30 years from now when they sell that real estate office, the domain itself, being real estate, will have built up equity, and when that price per click rises, the domain and natural traffic it produces could end up being as valuable as the "accounts" themselves. Typical real estate office has 5-6 people. Most dont have an "internet marketing" person, other than to make sure their listings are up and someone answer emails. Of course, most domainers dont have 4 sales for $18,000 profit every year either. "Time, Time, Time, is on our side, oh yes it is".....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a broker myself for almost 20 years, and having spent the last 12 helping other brokers understand and compete on the internet (selling them many of my real estate domains along the way), it does not surprise me that the vast majority really dont get it. Most small business really are busy dealing with their primary business, and count on others for help with this &#8220;new medium&#8221;. They dont live and breath domains every day like many of us do. The &#8220;already have 4 websites&#8221; comment shows just how removed they are from concept of a &#8220;quality domains&#8221; and what that actually could mean to them. So no, we&#8217;re clearly not &#8220;there&#8221; yet. On the otherhand, Gorden is right, they can currently grab that traffic on the cheap. The difference is, in 30 years from now when they sell that real estate office, the domain itself, being real estate, will have built up equity, and when that price per click rises, the domain and natural traffic it produces could end up being as valuable as the &#8220;accounts&#8221; themselves. Typical real estate office has 5-6 people. Most dont have an &#8220;internet marketing&#8221; person, other than to make sure their listings are up and someone answer emails. Of course, most domainers dont have 4 sales for $18,000 profit every year either. &#8220;Time, Time, Time, is on our side, oh yes it is&#8221;&#8230;..</p>
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