Comments on: Domain Mining Techniques, And more.. http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/12/16/domain-mining-techniques-and-more/ Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:27:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Andy Black http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/12/16/domain-mining-techniques-and-more/#comment-14567 Andy Black Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:08:01 +0000 http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/12/16/domain-mining-techniques-and-more/#comment-14567 Great article. My new app does all of this for you. It finds keywords and phrases that actually get traffic and then generates a list of domain urls with and without hyphens. It then tells you whether the domains are available or not. I've found loads of names this way. Version 2.0 of the app is available in a few days. I still think there are loads of good names out there, it's just a case of finding them. Great article. My new app does all of this for you. It finds keywords and phrases that actually get traffic and then generates a list of domain urls with and without hyphens. It then tells you whether the domains are available or not. I’ve found loads of names this way. Version 2.0 of the app is available in a few days.

I still think there are loads of good names out there, it’s just a case of finding them.

]]> By: Ari Shohat http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/12/16/domain-mining-techniques-and-more/#comment-4132 Ari Shohat Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:58:35 +0000 http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/12/16/domain-mining-techniques-and-more/#comment-4132 WordTracker - I am liking it more and mroe lately, particularly after the Yahoo/Overture keyword tool has been so flaky lately (that one is here: http://inventory.overture.com/) A few days ago Aaron at SEOBook has updates his keyword tool that is now powered at least in part by WordTracker. If you want to check out some capabilities, this is a quick way to do a quick comparison: http://tools.seobook.com/keyword-tools/seobook/ Though for all features I guess you'd have to pay for WordTracker. I also use Google Trends for domain mining: http://www.google.com/trends It shows supposedly relative keyword search volume to one search vs another. For example if you have domains or developed sites with some specialties where you know what the traffic pattern is like, Google Trends lets you compare those keywords to some other keyword combinations you are considering for registration (new or on aftermarket/drops, etc). So relatively speaking it can show you if that term happens to be used widely enough to make it worth your time, and if so in which countries. You can discover quite a few surprises there where you can see domains being dropped or resold for very cheap, yet the potential search volume is there and not really tapped into yet. Which brings me to SEO... Google Trends goes hand in hand with some SEO skills (besides type-in value of course which isn't that high for two word phrases). That is, if you get the name registered for the phrase AND develop the name right, get some natural links - you can get enough traffic by coming up high on search engines. I know the holy grail of domaining may be type-ins and not to rely on Google (shudder) but if you're interested in re-selling then this is relevant. If a domain has a high search engine ranking potential, then it's worth much more to a potential buyer. Just watch out with Google Trends - there are plenty of domains which don't have any real search volume to speak of, yet they are highly valuable. Probably anything that is in the business with high amounts per transaction is worth a lot even without moderate traffic. For example Funeral Arrangements.com (heard it was sold for $9k ), elevator parts, etc, you get the idea. Thanks for the forum to share, Sahar. WordTracker - I am liking it more and mroe lately, particularly after the Yahoo/Overture keyword tool has been so flaky lately (that one is here: http://inventory.overture.com/)

A few days ago Aaron at SEOBook has updates his keyword tool that is now powered at least in part by WordTracker. If you want to check out some capabilities, this is a quick way to do a quick comparison:
http://tools.seobook.com/keyword-tools/seobook/
Though for all features I guess you’d have to pay for WordTracker.

I also use Google Trends for domain mining:
http://www.google.com/trends
It shows supposedly relative keyword search volume to one search vs another.

For example if you have domains or developed sites with some specialties where you know what the traffic pattern is like, Google Trends lets you compare those keywords to some other keyword combinations you are considering for registration (new or on aftermarket/drops, etc). So relatively speaking it can show you if that term happens to be used widely enough to make it worth your time, and if so in which countries. You can discover quite a few surprises there where you can see domains being dropped or resold for very cheap, yet the potential search volume is there and not really tapped into yet. Which brings me to SEO…

Google Trends goes hand in hand with some SEO skills (besides type-in value of course which isn’t that high for two word phrases). That is, if you get the name registered for the phrase AND develop the name right, get some natural links - you can get enough traffic by coming up high on search engines. I know the holy grail of domaining may be type-ins and not to rely on Google (shudder) but if you’re interested in re-selling then this is relevant. If a domain has a high search engine ranking potential, then it’s worth much more to a potential buyer.

Just watch out with Google Trends - there are plenty of domains which don’t have any real search volume to speak of, yet they are highly valuable. Probably anything that is in the business with high amounts per transaction is worth a lot even without moderate traffic. For example Funeral Arrangements.com (heard it was sold for $9k ), elevator parts, etc, you get the idea.

Thanks for the forum to share, Sahar.

]]> By: Rob Sequin http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/12/16/domain-mining-techniques-and-more/#comment-4125 Rob Sequin Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:02:44 +0000 http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/12/16/domain-mining-techniques-and-more/#comment-4125 FYI, If you paste brain teasers brain games brain cancer into GoDaddy's bulk registration tool, you will get availability results that look like this so no editing is even needed. GoDaddy takes out the space and adds the .com. brainteasers.com braingames.com braincancer.com Good post. FYI,

If you paste

brain teasers
brain games
brain cancer

into GoDaddy’s bulk registration tool, you will get availability results that look like this so no editing is even needed. GoDaddy takes out the space and adds the .com.

brainteasers.com
braingames.com
braincancer.com

Good post.

]]> By: Jamie http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/12/16/domain-mining-techniques-and-more/#comment-4119 Jamie Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:12:31 +0000 http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/12/16/domain-mining-techniques-and-more/#comment-4119 thanks Sahar, just what I needed before turning off for the night thanks Sahar, just what I needed before turning off for the night

]]> By: David Wrixon http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/12/16/domain-mining-techniques-and-more/#comment-4116 David Wrixon Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:39:54 +0000 http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/12/16/domain-mining-techniques-and-more/#comment-4116 Mining is usually about identifying domains with traffic. With IDN that has been a major problem as natural traffic has hardly existed to now, but their are IDNers out there that have put their pit helmets on. Without browser the most popular approach appears to have been to check the dictionary against Overture. There are local overture tools, notably in Japan and I think it is safe to say that has been mined out now. I think mining against single words is probably not likely to be profitable in either Chinese or Japanese now, and perhaps not Korean either. I know some mining of this type has been undertaken in Thai, but I am unaware of it being done for Russian, Arabic or Hindi. Problems/opportunities arise where Yahoo's market share is very weak of course, but the obvious language Russian is fraught with difficulties, because of the grammatical complexity. Each noun has half a dozen cases, and search tends to equate the less useful ones with the main terms. There is also the problem of agreement with adjactives and verbs which result in forms that probably have little value in a stand alone situation. In Russia, the most used search engines are Yandex and Rambler rather than Google and Yahoo, although Google is making a serious effort to crack the market. I also understand that Google is improving its Trends service to provide more quantitative information, because globally Yahoo's coverage is very patchy at present. With Chinese most popular words are two characters. Some are one or three but two is the magic number. I have not attempted this but this leaves open a unique mining technique. Internet pages of Chinese text would be analysed to find popular terms by sampling two characters at a time and seeing what their returns are in Google Search. I believe there is some kind of Overture style tool for Baidu as well now. Having got the key popular word, it is then possible to test it combined with the characters that immediately precede or follow the top term. Those who are interested in Search Results from Google or Yahoo, should always stick to results generated from strings between quotation marks. If you search on Latin Characters without putting the quotation marks in place accented searches will also yield non-accented results. Similarly associated results will be produced in other scripts, and for combos you will get results where both words appear anywhere on the page rather than together and in the correct order. Mining is usually about identifying domains with traffic. With IDN that has been a major problem as natural traffic has hardly existed to now, but their are IDNers out there that have put their pit helmets on. Without browser the most popular approach appears to have been to check the dictionary against Overture. There are local overture tools, notably in Japan and I think it is safe to say that has been mined out now. I think mining against single words is probably not likely to be profitable in either Chinese or Japanese now, and perhaps not Korean either. I know some mining of this type has been undertaken in Thai, but I am unaware of it being done for Russian, Arabic or Hindi.

Problems/opportunities arise where Yahoo’s market share is very weak of course, but the obvious language Russian is fraught with difficulties, because of the grammatical complexity. Each noun has half a dozen cases, and search tends to equate the less useful ones with the main terms. There is also the problem of agreement with adjactives and verbs which result in forms that probably have little value in a stand alone situation. In Russia, the most used search engines are Yandex and Rambler rather than Google and Yahoo, although Google is making a serious effort to crack the market. I also understand that Google is improving its Trends service to provide more quantitative information, because globally Yahoo’s coverage is very patchy at present.

With Chinese most popular words are two characters. Some are one or three but two is the magic number. I have not attempted this but this leaves open a unique mining technique. Internet pages of Chinese text would be analysed to find popular terms by sampling two characters at a time and seeing what their returns are in Google Search. I believe there is some kind of Overture style tool for Baidu as well now. Having got the key popular word, it is then possible to test it combined with the characters that immediately precede or follow the top term.

Those who are interested in Search Results from Google or Yahoo, should always stick to results generated from strings between quotation marks. If you search on Latin Characters without putting the quotation marks in place accented searches will also yield non-accented results. Similarly associated results will be produced in other scripts, and for combos you will get results where both words appear anywhere on the page rather than together and in the correct order.

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