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	<title>Comments on: Making It In The Domain Industry -2007 Edition</title>
	<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/</link>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Greg Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-10482</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost always buy as myself fully disclosed, but if you want to do volume and get deals like Derek it is not always possible...sneaky or not - the intent is to save money.  I even agree that nite.com at $20k was both a good buy and good sale depending on your side.  Had it been worth tens of thousands more to a domainer Steve would have gotten more offers through the years.  There is some good learnings and actions here.  Even regarding the disclosed info, I may not have acted...in fact...

I would have passed on cushion.com at $10k, but bought datacube.com and B6.  Nite.com was a super buy but would have brought me pause - and most likely just tabled it in the end.  

Our last domain buy, I submitted a $50,000 offer as myself and the deal was accepted within 4 hours - no counters or questions really.  I was thrilled as I believe it worth hundreds of thousands...obviously the seller was thrilled...sub-4 hours makes one feel like they overpaid ;)

Domains are so unique and their pricing is as well.  Derek is doing a great job acting on the offers he makes.  AND then flipping out for profit.  As he mentions, most drops will be resold in the $1-$4k range if even worth re-reging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost always buy as myself fully disclosed, but if you want to do volume and get deals like Derek it is not always possible&#8230;sneaky or not - the intent is to save money.  I even agree that nite.com at $20k was both a good buy and good sale depending on your side.  Had it been worth tens of thousands more to a domainer Steve would have gotten more offers through the years.  There is some good learnings and actions here.  Even regarding the disclosed info, I may not have acted&#8230;in fact&#8230;</p>
<p>I would have passed on cushion.com at $10k, but bought datacube.com and B6.  Nite.com was a super buy but would have brought me pause - and most likely just tabled it in the end.  </p>
<p>Our last domain buy, I submitted a $50,000 offer as myself and the deal was accepted within 4 hours - no counters or questions really.  I was thrilled as I believe it worth hundreds of thousands&#8230;obviously the seller was thrilled&#8230;sub-4 hours makes one feel like they overpaid <img src='http://www.conceptualist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Domains are so unique and their pricing is as well.  Derek is doing a great job acting on the offers he makes.  AND then flipping out for profit.  As he mentions, most drops will be resold in the $1-$4k range if even worth re-reging.</p>
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		<title>By: The Lazy Domainer&#8217;s Way to Fail : Domain Bits</title>
		<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-9908</link>
		<dc:creator>The Lazy Domainer&#8217;s Way to Fail : Domain Bits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-9908</guid>
		<description>[...] a wonderful success story about how people can succeed in the domain industry, check out this story on Sahar&#8217;s blog. A couple things are important to note: Mr. Giordano worked 16 hour days to be successful, and he [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] a wonderful success story about how people can succeed in the domain industry, check out this story on Sahar&#8217;s blog. A couple things are important to note: Mr. Giordano worked 16 hour days to be successful, and he [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Irving</title>
		<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-6258</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Irving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 05:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-6258</guid>
		<description>It's because you used your wife's name and not your own.....

I was/am happy with your offer and gladly accepted it and sold you my domain. BUT.......although you say you prefer to negotiate without games, why didn't you just do it straight up yourself instead of sending your wife to make the deal.

I told her that.....although I was not unhappy with the deal we made, I didn't appreciate the "game".....and although the amount you paid ($20K) seemed/seems fair to me.....I still felt "played".

If you would have been straight up with me from the start, I wouldn't have had a thing to say and we'd still have done business.

Once I started looking into what was going on, it just felt like a sneaky deal. And although it probably wasn't.....it still felt like that.

Impressions are VERY important....and you left a bad one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s because you used your wife&#8217;s name and not your own&#8230;..</p>
<p>I was/am happy with your offer and gladly accepted it and sold you my domain. BUT&#8230;&#8230;.although you say you prefer to negotiate without games, why didn&#8217;t you just do it straight up yourself instead of sending your wife to make the deal.</p>
<p>I told her that&#8230;..although I was not unhappy with the deal we made, I didn&#8217;t appreciate the &#8220;game&#8221;&#8230;..and although the amount you paid ($20K) seemed/seems fair to me&#8230;..I still felt &#8220;played&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you would have been straight up with me from the start, I wouldn&#8217;t have had a thing to say and we&#8217;d still have done business.</p>
<p>Once I started looking into what was going on, it just felt like a sneaky deal. And although it probably wasn&#8217;t&#8230;..it still felt like that.</p>
<p>Impressions are VERY important&#8230;.and you left a bad one.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-6213</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-6213</guid>
		<description>Wow Steve, and you wonder why I prefer to use my WIFE's name in these transactions as opposed to mine. This blog post is the first thing that pops up when a search of my name is performed. I have seen too many deals fall through when people find this and automatically assume they are being ripped off. Which is usually never the case. This is also why big companies prefer to remain anonymous when showing interest in a domain. They, like me, prefer to negotiate without the games.

I made you a first offer of 20k for nite. Hardly a low ball offer. You happily agreed to that. Why does who I am change any of that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Steve, and you wonder why I prefer to use my WIFE&#8217;s name in these transactions as opposed to mine. This blog post is the first thing that pops up when a search of my name is performed. I have seen too many deals fall through when people find this and automatically assume they are being ripped off. Which is usually never the case. This is also why big companies prefer to remain anonymous when showing interest in a domain. They, like me, prefer to negotiate without the games.</p>
<p>I made you a first offer of 20k for nite. Hardly a low ball offer. You happily agreed to that. Why does who I am change any of that?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Irving</title>
		<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-5985</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Irving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-5985</guid>
		<description>Derek buys domains by having Joann (wife, sister???) make the transaction from a yahoo address, with a BS story......then she acts like she hopes the transfer goes fast because she had to "take the money out of her account".......

I'm not sorry to have sold my nite.com domain for $20K, just wished I'd gotten the truth about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek buys domains by having Joann (wife, sister???) make the transaction from a yahoo address, with a BS story&#8230;&#8230;then she acts like she hopes the transfer goes fast because she had to &#8220;take the money out of her account&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sorry to have sold my nite.com domain for $20K, just wished I&#8217;d gotten the truth about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Giordano</title>
		<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-4211</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Giordano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-4211</guid>
		<description>ASN5,

Normally I wouldn't care about "proving" anything to anyone. Those who know me in this industry, know everything I said above was 100% true. I'll do it anyway since it is Christmas. This is my gift to you.

The name of the domain I bought for 10k and sold five days later for 75k was Cushion.com. It's reported in the DN Journal. The two-character .com I bought for 7k and sold for 45k was B6.com. I did disclose more specifics to Sahar in the original email. When he asked if he could publish it, I said "yes" as long as I can remove details that my buyers may not appreciate being open for everyone to view. Now, enough time has passed that I feel better disclosing the specifics. Does this make sense to you now?

In addition to what I wrote above, I sold Copies.com for 90k a month after this was published. Also in the DN Journal. I now own 8 premium generic names that I have reinvested in, and see opportunity literally everywhere I look. These names are a "little" better than what I could be finding in today's domain drops. Had I followed your advice above, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be self employed, like I am now. I speak from real-world experience, and my payouts are today, not dependant on what my domains are worth in five years from now.

I NEVER said future technologies were non-existent. What I said was there are,"too few noteworthy technologies to really matter". I still stand by this statement. You are free to disagree on this. 

Beyond this, If you still chose to be skeptical, that's ok. It doesn't make it any less real for me, whether you believe it or not. I'll go on doing what I'm doing, and you go on registering "investment value" domains from drops. Believe it or not, I like seeing you spend all your time doing just that.

Have a good one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASN5,</p>
<p>Normally I wouldn&#8217;t care about &#8220;proving&#8221; anything to anyone. Those who know me in this industry, know everything I said above was 100% true. I&#8217;ll do it anyway since it is Christmas. This is my gift to you.</p>
<p>The name of the domain I bought for 10k and sold five days later for 75k was Cushion.com. It&#8217;s reported in the DN Journal. The two-character .com I bought for 7k and sold for 45k was B6.com. I did disclose more specifics to Sahar in the original email. When he asked if he could publish it, I said &#8220;yes&#8221; as long as I can remove details that my buyers may not appreciate being open for everyone to view. Now, enough time has passed that I feel better disclosing the specifics. Does this make sense to you now?</p>
<p>In addition to what I wrote above, I sold Copies.com for 90k a month after this was published. Also in the DN Journal. I now own 8 premium generic names that I have reinvested in, and see opportunity literally everywhere I look. These names are a &#8220;little&#8221; better than what I could be finding in today&#8217;s domain drops. Had I followed your advice above, I&#8217;m pretty sure I wouldn&#8217;t be self employed, like I am now. I speak from real-world experience, and my payouts are today, not dependant on what my domains are worth in five years from now.</p>
<p>I NEVER said future technologies were non-existent. What I said was there are,&#8221;too few noteworthy technologies to really matter&#8221;. I still stand by this statement. You are free to disagree on this. </p>
<p>Beyond this, If you still chose to be skeptical, that&#8217;s ok. It doesn&#8217;t make it any less real for me, whether you believe it or not. I&#8217;ll go on doing what I&#8217;m doing, and you go on registering &#8220;investment value&#8221; domains from drops. Believe it or not, I like seeing you spend all your time doing just that.</p>
<p>Have a good one!</p>
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		<title>By: ASN5</title>
		<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-3497</link>
		<dc:creator>ASN5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-3497</guid>
		<description>I disagree with most of the points expressed in the email. I periodically find both, new regs and drops that have investment value. I also know that good, new technology names are NOT all gone.

Getting rich fast is good work when you can get it, but the risks are generally much greater and it is certainly not the only approach to investing.

It's a great story and it's not impossible.

Unfortunately, the story contains the typical lack of details and vague references, such as buying "a very nice single word generic for a mere 10k". Again, this is certainly not impossible, but claims of making $65K in five days on that same domain name should expect to be met with health skepticism.

Failing to factually support such claims casts a shadow over the validity of the story, the concept, and the industry as a whole. Please consider turning this negative into a positive by disclosing the details of the sale you chose to discuss publicly.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with most of the points expressed in the email. I periodically find both, new regs and drops that have investment value. I also know that good, new technology names are NOT all gone.</p>
<p>Getting rich fast is good work when you can get it, but the risks are generally much greater and it is certainly not the only approach to investing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a great story and it&#8217;s not impossible.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the story contains the typical lack of details and vague references, such as buying &#8220;a very nice single word generic for a mere 10k&#8221;. Again, this is certainly not impossible, but claims of making $65K in five days on that same domain name should expect to be met with health skepticism.</p>
<p>Failing to factually support such claims casts a shadow over the validity of the story, the concept, and the industry as a whole. Please consider turning this negative into a positive by disclosing the details of the sale you chose to discuss publicly.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: andy kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-3278</link>
		<dc:creator>andy kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-3278</guid>
		<description>Just stumbled upon this great site !
Glad I did - very interesting read

regards

Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just stumbled upon this great site !<br />
Glad I did - very interesting read</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>Andy</p>
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		<title>By: GetDomains.info</title>
		<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-1640</link>
		<dc:creator>GetDomains.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-1640</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Succes of a beginning domainer in 2007&#8230; still doable ?...&lt;/strong&gt;

I just read Sahar&#8217;s post on his blog about a beginner in the domain industry that managed in a short time to get out of the crowd and make some decent sales that today allow him to live from domaining, check the whole story here:
http://www.conce...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Succes of a beginning domainer in 2007&#8230; still doable ?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I just read Sahar&#8217;s post on his blog about a beginner in the domain industry that managed in a short time to get out of the crowd and make some decent sales that today allow him to live from domaining, check the whole story here:<br />
<a href="http://www.conce..." rel="nofollow">http://www.conce&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Raja</title>
		<link>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-1633</link>
		<dc:creator>Raja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.conceptualist.com/2007/07/16/making-it-in-the-domain-industry-2007-edition/#comment-1633</guid>
		<description>Excellent , Thanks 4 sharing Sahar, Derek. Wishing GudLuk for all your Future Endeavours</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent , Thanks 4 sharing Sahar, Derek. Wishing GudLuk for all your Future Endeavours</p>
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